Nowhere in Dr Caitlin River's responses to questions from the USA Today's editorial board is there any mention of the number of deaths. The question is avoided. Did fewer people die in those countries where their leaders enacted stringent public health practices? In New Zealand 11 people actually died. In Arizona over 1,000 and the number is still rising. Is this not important or like good ostriches with our heads stuck in the sand, do we find the question uncomfortable? Dead people. Dead Americans. Older dead Arizonans, more and more of them because our leaders are too slow or ignorant to enact "Stringent public health practices" or perhaps just do not care. Perhaps they are "new" to pandemics. So perhaps we deserve this. With the sort of generally dismissive attitudes towards education and where science is viewed with suspicion and where money comes before everything, "stringent public health practices" must be considered unconstitutional. After all the dead don't vote.